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John Dallman
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
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Please excuse my testing.

John
James Davis
2018-02-09 17:49:24 UTC
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Please excuse my testing.
John
OK, you're excused. So why not just delete this post when you'r done testing Google?
Anthony Ortiz
2018-02-09 18:01:14 UTC
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Our newsgroup could use some more posts; even tests are welcome! :P
Anthony Ortiz
2018-02-09 18:16:17 UTC
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Our newsgroup could use some more posts; even tests are welcome! :P
As a matter of fact, I believe members here are so desperate for posts that they’d even welcome Dr. Tom and Quantum Cat back with nostalgic tears in their eyes!
Polymorph
2018-02-10 00:22:12 UTC
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No... no they wouldn't... ;-P
Anthony Ortiz
2018-02-10 00:34:19 UTC
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No... no they wouldn't... ;-P
I dunno Polymorph... I'm seeing people at the verge of tears here at the mere mention of those names. How about we settle this with a show of hands?

Those who are *against* Dr. Tom and Quantum Cat rejoining us for some nostalgic memories raise their hands!
Charlie
2018-02-10 16:29:49 UTC
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No... no they wouldn't... ;-P
I dunno Polymorph... I'm seeing people at the verge of tears here at the mere mention of those names. How about we settle this with a show of hands?
Those who are *against* Dr. Tom and Quantum Cat rejoining us for some nostalgic memories raise their hands!
We really don't need those wars revisited. Many good people stopped
posting here when those flame wars were going on and I suspect new
people were turned off as well.
By the way Dr. Tom does occasionally post here although I don't believe
under that name.

Charlie
Anthony Lawther
2018-02-10 21:39:47 UTC
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No... no they wouldn't... ;-P
I dunno Polymorph... I'm seeing people at the verge of tears here at the
mere mention of those names. How about we settle this with a show of hands?
Those who are *against* Dr. Tom and Quantum Cat rejoining us for some
nostalgic memories raise their hands!
/me raises both hands
Anthony Ortiz
2018-02-10 21:45:05 UTC
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No... no they wouldn't... ;-P
I dunno Polymorph... I'm seeing people at the verge of tears here at the mere mention of those names. How about we settle this with a show of hands?
Those who are *against* Dr. Tom and Quantum Cat rejoining us for some nostalgic memories raise their hands!
Well there we have it Polymorph... only one person raised his hands, and even if we were generous and counted the other three as raised hands that brings a total of four *against* and the rest of the community *for* their return.

May gawd help us...
Anthony Lawther
2018-02-10 22:02:01 UTC
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No... no they wouldn't... ;-P
I dunno Polymorph... I'm seeing people at the verge of tears here at the
mere mention of those names. How about we settle this with a show of hands?
Those who are *against* Dr. Tom and Quantum Cat rejoining us for some
nostalgic memories raise their hands!
Well there we have it Polymorph... only one person raised his hands, and
even if we were generous and counted the other three as raised hands that
brings a total of four *against* and the rest of the community *for* their return.
May gawd help us...
The law here says that you can't interpret silence as assent. So don't
send out the invitations just because there haven't been many responses.

Let's turn this around: Everyone that is *for* the return of the flamers,
post "Emphatically Agree"

Regards,
Anthony
Anthony Ortiz
2018-02-10 22:30:13 UTC
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Hahaha! The law has finally spoken! :P
Antoine Vignau
2018-02-10 23:55:46 UTC
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I hope that the thread will be removed when John deletes his Test message.

The interest level here is poor.

Antoine ;-)
John Dallman
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
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I hope that the thread will be removed when John deletes his Test message.
The interest level here is poor.
I have no way to delete the root message, nor the rest of the thread.
Usenet doesn't work that way AFAIK. I don't read it via Google.

John
Brian Patrie
2018-02-13 04:40:59 UTC
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I hope that the thread will be removed when John deletes his Test message.
The interest level here is poor.
I have no way to delete the root message, nor the rest of the thread.
Usenet doesn't work that way AFAIK. I don't read it via Google.
John
We used to be able to cancel messages. (Maybe we still can.)
But it never took out replies.
Brian Patrie
2018-02-13 14:29:42 UTC
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We used to be able to cancel messages.  (Maybe we still can.)
But it never took out replies.
I suppose this thread is as good a place to test as any.
I will now see if Thunderbird's Delete Message command cancels this.
Brian Patrie
2018-02-13 14:44:48 UTC
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We used to be able to cancel messages.  (Maybe we still can.)
But it never took out replies.
Well i posted a reply to this, then attempted to cancel it via
Thunderbird's Delete Message command, and, whilst it has removed it from
TB's database, it does not appear to have cancelled the article (at
least not from the perspective of Google Groups). :(
Steve Nickolas
2018-02-13 14:55:19 UTC
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We used to be able to cancel messages.  (Maybe we still can.)
But it never took out replies.
Well i posted a reply to this, then attempted to cancel it via Thunderbird's
Delete Message command, and, whilst it has removed it from TB's database, it
does not appear to have cancelled the article (at least not from the
perspective of Google Groups). :(
Nor Eternal September.

-uso.
Scott Alfter
2018-02-13 17:43:44 UTC
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I hope that the thread will be removed when John deletes his Test message.
I have no way to delete the root message, nor the rest of the thread.
Usenet doesn't work that way AFAIK. I don't read it via Google.
We used to be able to cancel messages. (Maybe we still can.)
But it never took out replies.
Most news servers ignore cancel messages, as they were too easy to abuse.

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Ewen
2018-02-14 08:04:29 UTC
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We used to be able to cancel messages. (Maybe we still can.)
But it never took out replies.
The way Usenet works, is that once a message is posted on one server, it
migrates round the world to all the others in the chain. There is no
mechanism to stop that, so you cannot delete a message once posted...

Cheers - Speccie
Raymond Wiker
2018-02-14 21:21:04 UTC
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Post by Brian Patrie
We used to be able to cancel messages. (Maybe we still can.)
But it never took out replies.
The way Usenet works, is that once a message is posted on one server, it
migrates round the world to all the others in the chain. There is no
mechanism to stop that, so you cannot delete a message once posted...
Cheers - Speccie
That's what <cancel> messages are for... see section 3.1 of
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1036
Ewen
2018-02-15 08:10:38 UTC
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The way Usenet works, is that once a message is posted on one server, it
migrates round the world to all the others in the chain. There is no
mechanism to stop that, so you cannot delete a message once posted...
Cheers - Speccie
That's what <cancel> messages are for... see section 3.1 of
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1036
If you read that carefully, you will find that if the message has
already migrated round the plethora of other Usenet servers round the
world, the Cancel command is only going to apply to the message on the
server you posted it on, not on the other servers.

Cheers - Ewen
Raymond Wiker
2018-02-15 17:30:18 UTC
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The way Usenet works, is that once a message is posted on one server, it
migrates round the world to all the others in the chain. There is no
mechanism to stop that, so you cannot delete a message once posted...
Cheers - Speccie
That's what <cancel> messages are for... see section 3.1 of
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1036
If you read that carefully, you will find that if the message has
already migrated round the plethora of other Usenet servers round the
world, the Cancel command is only going to apply to the message on the
server you posted it on, not on the other servers.
No, that's not the way it works - the cancel message is propagated in
the same way as the original message, but it could be that it will not
be forwarded if the orginal message is not on the server.

I seem to remember that google groups ignore cancel requests, and other
usenet providers may also have chosen to do so.
D Finnigan
2018-02-15 22:45:02 UTC
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I seem to remember that google groups ignore cancel requests, and other
usenet providers may also have chosen to do so.
Yes of course Google Groups ignores cancel messages. Could you imagine the
sheer chaos that would be if anyone could delete messages out of their
archive?! :-0
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James Davis
2018-02-16 03:18:16 UTC
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I seem to remember that google groups ignore cancel requests, and other
usenet providers may also have chosen to do so.
Yes of course Google Groups ignores cancel messages. Could you imagine the
sheer chaos that would be if anyone could delete messages out of their
archive?! :-0
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http://macgui.com/newa2guide/
In Google Groups, you can delete your own messages (and your own threads if nobody else has posted in them yet), but it does not cancel the original message in comp.sys.apple2 (e.g., in a UseNet News Group), it only hides the message in Google Groups (e.g., showing them as "Deleted" there).
Bill Garber
2018-02-16 20:59:48 UTC
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I seem to remember that google groups ignore cancel requests, and other
usenet providers may also have chosen to do so.
Yes of course Google Groups ignores cancel messages. Could you imagine the
sheer chaos that would be if anyone could delete messages out of their
archive?! :-0
--
]DF$
http://macgui.com/newa2guide/
In Google Groups, you can delete your own messages (and your own threads
if
nobody else has posted in them yet), but it does not cancel the original
message
in comp.sys.apple2 (e.g., in a UseNet News Group), it only hides the
message in
Google Groups (e.g., showing them as "Deleted" there).
In 'Eternal-September', I can delete posts I don't want, and if I don't
block the
subject line, then I still receive subsequent replies. Anyway, I tend to
not do
the blocking thing because it sometimes removes similar subject lines, and
then I miss some things.

Bill Garber * http://www.sepa-electronics.com *
Ewen
2018-02-17 07:57:55 UTC
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Post by James Davis
In Google Groups, you can delete your own messages (and your own
threads if nobody else has posted in them yet), but it does not cancel
the original message in comp.sys.apple2 (e.g., in a UseNet News
Group), it only hides the message in Google Groups (e.g., showing
them as "Deleted" there).
But there's a possible problem. Some of us don't, and have never used
Google Groups. We use Usenet directly through a news server client...
James Davis
2018-02-19 06:46:52 UTC
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Post by James Davis
In Google Groups, you can delete your own messages (and your own
threads if nobody else has posted in them yet), but it does not cancel
the original message in comp.sys.apple2 (e.g., in a UseNet News
Group), it only hides the message in Google Groups (e.g., showing
them as "Deleted" there).
But there's a possible problem. Some of us don't, and have never used
Google Groups. We use Usenet directly through a news server client...
Don't worry about it! In three or four months it will be removed and put in storage for posterity.
Michael J. Mahon
2018-02-10 01:45:00 UTC
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No... no they wouldn't... ;-P
Agreed.

Flame wars really turn most potential newsgroup participants off. No one
wants to step into crossfire.
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awanderin
2018-02-10 05:46:04 UTC
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No... no they wouldn't... ;-P
Agreed.
Flame wars really turn most potential newsgroup participants off. No one
wants to step into crossfire.
Also agreed. Those were situations I'd like to remain part of history,
not the present nor the future.

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Jerry awanderin at gmail dot com
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