Discussion:
Flight Simulator Scenery Disks Available
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b***@gmail.com
2009-06-06 00:45:35 UTC
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I have been collecting FSII scenery disks because I could not find any
for the Apple. Also, the main version of FSII found on the web could
not be used with scenery disks. I have unprotected version 2.0 of FSII
and uploaded it to asimov. I have also converted several scenery
disks to normal DOS which can be used with the unprotected version.
These are also on asimov. The administrator has made a nice directory
under images/games/simulations for these files. I am in the process
of scanning maps and documentation and will do my best to get them
there as well. Like many of you, I am only a part time apple ii
collector/hobbyist. So I cannot spend as much time trying these out
as I would like. It is not impossible that there are errors in these
disks or the crack.
b***@gmail.com
2009-06-06 20:49:38 UTC
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Post by b***@gmail.com
I have been collecting FSII scenery disks because I could not find any
for the Apple.  Also, the main version of FSII found on the web could
not be used with scenery disks. I have unprotected version 2.0 of FSII
and uploaded it to asimov.  I have also converted several scenery
disks to normal DOS which can be used with the unprotected version.
These are also on asimov.  The administrator has made a nice directory
under images/games/simulations for these files.  I am in the process
of scanning maps and documentation and will do my best to get them
there as well.  Like many of you, I am only a part time apple ii
collector/hobbyist.  So I cannot spend as much time trying these out
as I would like.  It is not impossible that there are errors in these
disks or the crack.
One followup: The documentation is going into documentation/games/
flight simulator

My collection of disk images is updated (1 through 7, japan, and STAR
sanfran). The only docs are for disk 1 so far. I'll be adding more
soon.
magnusfalkirk
2009-06-08 23:05:14 UTC
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Post by b***@gmail.com
Post by b***@gmail.com
I have been collecting FSII scenery disks because I could not find any
for the Apple.  Also, the main version of FSII found on the web could
not be used with scenery disks. I have unprotected version 2.0 of FSII
and uploaded it to asimov.  I have also converted several scenery
disks to normal DOS which can be used with the unprotected version.
These are also on asimov.  The administrator has made a nice directory
under images/games/simulations for these files.  I am in the process
of scanning maps and documentation and will do my best to get them
there as well.  Like many of you, I am only a part time apple ii
collector/hobbyist.  So I cannot spend as much time trying these out
as I would like.  It is not impossible that there are errors in these
disks or the crack.
One followup: The documentation is going into documentation/games/
flight simulator
My collection of disk images is updated (1 through 7, japan, and STAR
sanfran).  The only docs are for disk 1 so far.  I'll be adding more
soon.
Just to let everybody know, I just checked Asimov and the docs for
Flight Simulator 2 Scenery Disks 1-6 are all now available. I'd like
to thank Brian for making the copies of the disks and the docs
available to the community and thank Patrick for how quickly he has
been updating the Asimov archive over the last few months.

Dean
s***@optonline.net
2009-06-14 01:04:16 UTC
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Post by b***@gmail.com
I have been collecting FSII scenery disks because I could not find any
for the Apple. Also, the main version of FSII found on the web could
not be used with scenery disks. I have unprotected version 2.0 of FSII
and uploaded it to asimov. I have also converted several scenery
disks to normal DOS which can be used with the unprotected version.
These are also on asimov. The administrator has made a nice directory
under images/games/simulations for these files. I am in the process
of scanning maps and documentation and will do my best to get them
there as well. Like many of you, I am only a part time apple ii
collector/hobbyist. So I cannot spend as much time trying these out
as I would like. It is not impossible that there are errors in these
disks or the crack.
I've been working in a similar vein - on and off - with scanning in Apple software boxes, manuals, etc.

It's definitely a pain in the RAM to do.

Several issues of Computist magazine had info on converting FSII Scenery disks. Don't recall the issues off-hand......

If you know how to bit-copy them, and need copies of mine, I have Disks #'s 1,2,3,6,7, Japan

John.
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magnusfalkirk
2009-06-14 17:50:26 UTC
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Post by s***@optonline.net
I've been working in a similar vein - on and off - with scanning in Apple software boxes, manuals, etc.
It's definitely a pain in the RAM to do.
Several issues of Computist magazine had info on converting FSII Scenery disks. Don't recall the issues off-hand......
If you know how to bit-copy them, and need copies of mine, I have Disks #'s 1,2,3,6,7, Japan
John.
John,

What he's done is follow the the article in Computist magazine and has
converted Flight Simulator 2, version 2, and the same scenery disks
you have. So the copies available at Asimov are easily turned from
disk images back into real disks.

Dean
magnusfalkirk
2009-06-14 18:44:21 UTC
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Post by magnusfalkirk
What he's done is follow the the article in Computist magazine and has
converted Flight Simulator 2, version 2, and the same scenery disks
you have. So the copies available at Asimov are easily turned from
disk images back into real disks.
Dean
I almost forgot, he's also got scenery disks 4 an 5 also available.

Dean
Michael Woodley
2023-10-17 00:35:52 UTC
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Post by magnusfalkirk
Post by magnusfalkirk
What he's done is follow the the article in Computist magazine and has
converted Flight Simulator 2, version 2, and the same scenery disks
you have. So the copies available at Asimov are easily turned from
disk images back into real disks.
Dean
I almost forgot, he's also got scenery disks 4 an 5 also available.
Dean
I have Commodore 64 disks 7, 11, and Japan still in he shrink wrap. I once had a copy of every disk.

I am "Dr Scenery" from subLOGIC.

Mike Woodley
bill.martens
2023-10-20 00:46:01 UTC
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We have had the Flight Simulator stuff up for about 10 years now or longer....

https://fs1.applearchives.com for Flight Simulator 1
https://fs2.applearchives.com for Flight Simulator 2

--billm--
Joshua Bell
2023-11-12 20:23:24 UTC
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I have Commodore 64 disks 7, 11, and Japan still in he shrink wrap. I once had a copy of every disk.
I am "Dr Scenery" from subLOGIC.
Mike Woodley
Hey Michael! Thank you so much for popping in. I was a big fan of SubLOGIC back in the day, doing my best to fly (and sometimes successfully land) in FS2 and JET on my Apple II, and I remember your name well from the couple of scenery disks I could afford as a teenager.

Since then I’ve tried to collect all of the Apple II scenery disks and research more about them and some of the SubLOGIC ephemera. If you know the answers to any of these questions, or have further leads to share, I’d greatly appreciate anything you can remember from the 1980s…

(1) Was Scenery Disk 12 released as a stand-alone product, on any platform?

From my research, the Apple II saw A2-SD #1-6, 7 and 11, plus STAR San Francisco (A2-SDS1) Japan (A2-SD13) and Western Europe (A2-SD14). SD #9 and Hawaii were released for other platforms but not the Apple II. So far as I can tell, SD #8 and #10 never made it out as separate products for any platform before SubLOGIC moved to the updated US East/West “big box” packages. SD #12 is mentioned in the ATP manual: “Scenery Disk #12 incorporates the very latest ATP scenery technologies, and covers the New York, Montreal and Halifax sectional areas in incredible detail. This disk provides the most advanced and spectacular scenery available on any Scenery Disk to date.”

But I’ve yet to turn up any images of the packaging in online museums or auction listings. I’ve seen an eBay listing for just the 3.5” floppy disk for SD# 12, and the scenery files have been posted online. But maybe you recall if it got a proper release in one of the iconic folders, even if it was at the end of the product line?

(2) Were you involved in any of the magazine marketing materials?

I really enjoyed (and collected!) SubLOGIC’s advertising for the scenery, which really told a compelling story in the pages of COMPUTE! and other magazines in the 1980s. “Fly to Florida!”, “Tokyo for $19.95”, and the 5-part “Western European Tour” ads culminating in “Find Red Square” all done with glorious 80s color blocking.

One intriguing addition were the “Flight Notes”, a series of ads that gave updates about the products and sales, which I ate up. They started in 1988 and ran in various magazines with variations depending on the audience (e.g. #7A about Commodore, #7B about Apple II, and #7C generic?). Through modern archives I’ve tracked down as many as I could; I think I’m missing #2C and maybe #3C. I also found a mailer advertising Thunderchopper and featuring #8. But after #8 there’s a gap until #11, which I think is the last. My wild speculation is that SubLOGIC had some budget issues and #9 and #10 never made it out to magazines - I don’t suppose you recall?

And now an even bigger stretch…

(3) Did you have anything to do with the “Computer Flight Newsbriefs” ?

SubLOGIC sent out “New Briefs” as advertising mailers. I’ve managed to track down #1 (March 1987) and #29-#34 (Spring/Summer 1991 - Fall 1993). They talk quite a bit about scenery development, e.g. #31 talks about the updated coordinate system used in “...all Scenery Disks prior to SD#12…” so I thought you might be involved. (And that particular text hints more at the mystery around SD#12). If you were involved - thank you! And do you have any thoughts about the creation of these?

Regardless - thank you for jumping into this group, providing so much entertainment to us back in the 8-bit days, and for leaving some interesting historical breadcrumbs for us to dig through.

– Josh

magnusfalkirk
2009-06-14 18:44:21 UTC
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Post by magnusfalkirk
What he's done is follow the the article in Computist magazine and has
converted Flight Simulator 2, version 2, and the same scenery disks
you have. So the copies available at Asimov are easily turned from
disk images back into real disks.
Dean
I almost forgot, he's also got scenery disks 4 an 5 also available.

Dean
magnusfalkirk
2009-06-14 17:50:26 UTC
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Post by s***@optonline.net
I've been working in a similar vein - on and off - with scanning in Apple software boxes, manuals, etc.
It's definitely a pain in the RAM to do.
Several issues of Computist magazine had info on converting FSII Scenery disks. Don't recall the issues off-hand......
If you know how to bit-copy them, and need copies of mine, I have Disks #'s 1,2,3,6,7, Japan
John.
John,

What he's done is follow the the article in Computist magazine and has
converted Flight Simulator 2, version 2, and the same scenery disks
you have. So the copies available at Asimov are easily turned from
disk images back into real disks.

Dean
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